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	<title>Comments on: Building An Emergency Fund &#8211; Where Do I Keep It?</title>
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		<title>By: Jhonty Rhodes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jhonty Rhodes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice article. I started thinking about emergency fund and credit card debts soon after i graduated with 40k credit card debt in 2005. Me and my wife (we both are electrical engineers) cleared the debt in 2006, paid off my car loan in 2007 and have saved about 120k in emergency fund (40 months)(in multiple cds). I have about 70k in investments (stocks, mutual funds and options) and about 25k in checking and savings accounts. The goal is to have 5 yrs of emergency fund and maintain the amount in checking and savings by the time i&#039;m 30 next year. After that it will be the time to start saving for vacations, college education for kids (to be born) and a home (to be bought in 2012).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice article. I started thinking about emergency fund and credit card debts soon after i graduated with 40k credit card debt in 2005. Me and my wife (we both are electrical engineers) cleared the debt in 2006, paid off my car loan in 2007 and have saved about 120k in emergency fund (40 months)(in multiple cds). I have about 70k in investments (stocks, mutual funds and options) and about 25k in checking and savings accounts. The goal is to have 5 yrs of emergency fund and maintain the amount in checking and savings by the time i&#8217;m 30 next year. After that it will be the time to start saving for vacations, college education for kids (to be born) and a home (to be bought in 2012).</p>
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		<title>By: Derrick F</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derrick F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 23:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey,

I am working on a $12,000 emergency fund right now. It will all be kept a couple of clicks away in a Money Market account. I do carry travellers cheques when I travel which serves as an additional emergency fund. For day to day activities, I have cash on hand, but it is not really an emergency fund per se.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey,</p>
<p>I am working on a $12,000 emergency fund right now. It will all be kept a couple of clicks away in a Money Market account. I do carry travellers cheques when I travel which serves as an additional emergency fund. For day to day activities, I have cash on hand, but it is not really an emergency fund per se.</p>
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		<title>By: karla (threadbndr)</title>
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		<dc:creator>karla (threadbndr)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 00:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The total of my efund is about a year of take home.  Yes, I&#039;m cash heavy, but I&#039;m single (widowed) and in an area/market where I might have trouble instantly getting another job at my current pay.

Half is in laddered CDs at my credit union, with one month in the MMkt saving account attached to my check book and four months in ING.  There is some cash on hand and I budget based on last month&#039;s wages, so most of the time, there is about a month&#039;s worth in my interest bearing checking account.  

My biggest issue with the efund is my reluctance to dip into it.  I HATE it when I do.  I&#039;m trying to get around that by setting up some &#039;future spending&#039; sub accounts in ING and funding them now that the e fund is more than flush.  Probable categories are &quot;household improvements/appliances/repairs&quot;  and &quot;auto repair/replace&quot;.  Knowing that they are accrual accounts that are MEANT to be spent should help me actually be able to spend them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The total of my efund is about a year of take home.  Yes, I&#8217;m cash heavy, but I&#8217;m single (widowed) and in an area/market where I might have trouble instantly getting another job at my current pay.</p>
<p>Half is in laddered CDs at my credit union, with one month in the MMkt saving account attached to my check book and four months in ING.  There is some cash on hand and I budget based on last month&#8217;s wages, so most of the time, there is about a month&#8217;s worth in my interest bearing checking account.  </p>
<p>My biggest issue with the efund is my reluctance to dip into it.  I HATE it when I do.  I&#8217;m trying to get around that by setting up some &#8216;future spending&#8217; sub accounts in ING and funding them now that the e fund is more than flush.  Probable categories are &#8220;household improvements/appliances/repairs&#8221;  and &#8220;auto repair/replace&#8221;.  Knowing that they are accrual accounts that are MEANT to be spent should help me actually be able to spend them.</p>
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		<title>By: KC</title>
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		<dc:creator>KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 15:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is basically how I do my emergency fund - just like yours in checking, Money Market (savings) and cash.  My numbers are a bit smaller, but that&#039;s cause I have abosolutely no plans to buy anything expensive in the near future (course I didn&#039;t plan on someone totaling my husband&#039;s car last year either, but that&#039;s another story).  

I know people highly discourage non-discretionary, non-retirement money being kept in stock, but some of my emergency fund is there, too.  I figure if I have no source of income I&#039;m not going to burn through my money market in a week.  That would give me enough time to sell the securities I needed to pay the bills - this money is fairly liquid unlike equity in my home, as an example.  This money is also not in speculative securities at all.  If the stocks I own go bankrupt we&#039;re all in for a world of hurt, not just me.  But I certainly wouldn&#039;t recommend keeping any emergency funds in securities unless you have thoroughly researched the companies you&#039;re buying AND you have enough money in them to take a drop in the market like we&#039;re experiencing now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is basically how I do my emergency fund &#8211; just like yours in checking, Money Market (savings) and cash.  My numbers are a bit smaller, but that&#8217;s cause I have abosolutely no plans to buy anything expensive in the near future (course I didn&#8217;t plan on someone totaling my husband&#8217;s car last year either, but that&#8217;s another story).  </p>
<p>I know people highly discourage non-discretionary, non-retirement money being kept in stock, but some of my emergency fund is there, too.  I figure if I have no source of income I&#8217;m not going to burn through my money market in a week.  That would give me enough time to sell the securities I needed to pay the bills &#8211; this money is fairly liquid unlike equity in my home, as an example.  This money is also not in speculative securities at all.  If the stocks I own go bankrupt we&#8217;re all in for a world of hurt, not just me.  But I certainly wouldn&#8217;t recommend keeping any emergency funds in securities unless you have thoroughly researched the companies you&#8217;re buying AND you have enough money in them to take a drop in the market like we&#8217;re experiencing now.</p>
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		<title>By: Future Millionaire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Future Millionaire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 15:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Odnal,

I just recently opened up an Emigrant Direct savings account to start saving for a future car (like 6+ years away). So far I have to say I&#039;m really happy.  I look at ING but since the services I needed were offered by both I went for the extra interest.  I didn&#039;t need a debit card since speed of transfers didn&#039;t matter to me since I won&#039;t be taking any money out for years to come.  I do have to say it takes about 3 days or so for transfers to register, but I just account for that with my automatic transfers by doing them a few days before I want it debited from my regular checking.

Over all I&#039;m pretty happy.  Let us know if who you decide to go with and why.  I&#039;m curious myself, since I just embarked on the internet banks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Odnal,</p>
<p>I just recently opened up an Emigrant Direct savings account to start saving for a future car (like 6+ years away). So far I have to say I&#8217;m really happy.  I look at ING but since the services I needed were offered by both I went for the extra interest.  I didn&#8217;t need a debit card since speed of transfers didn&#8217;t matter to me since I won&#8217;t be taking any money out for years to come.  I do have to say it takes about 3 days or so for transfers to register, but I just account for that with my automatic transfers by doing them a few days before I want it debited from my regular checking.</p>
<p>Over all I&#8217;m pretty happy.  Let us know if who you decide to go with and why.  I&#8217;m curious myself, since I just embarked on the internet banks.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 17:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve heard some good things about Emigrant, but other than the interest rate (which it seems is always poised just above ING&#039;s) there isn&#039;t too much else compelling about them. Last I checked, they don&#039;t offer a checking account and I&#039;ve heard that ING&#039;s UI is superior to theirs.

Like I said earlier, I prefer to have the debit card from the ING checking, since transfers are immediate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve heard some good things about Emigrant, but other than the interest rate (which it seems is always poised just above ING&#8217;s) there isn&#8217;t too much else compelling about them. Last I checked, they don&#8217;t offer a checking account and I&#8217;ve heard that ING&#8217;s UI is superior to theirs.</p>
<p>Like I said earlier, I prefer to have the debit card from the ING checking, since transfers are immediate.</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cameron Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 16:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Odnal,
I&#039;ve only had my ING account since September, but I believe the APY was 4.30% on the savings account when I opened the it.

Everyone,
While we&#039;re talking about all this, I was wondering if anyone is using EmigrantDirect?  They appear to provide similar services to what ING does but with better interest rates.  Anybody?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Odnal,<br />
I&#8217;ve only had my ING account since September, but I believe the APY was 4.30% on the savings account when I opened the it.</p>
<p>Everyone,<br />
While we&#8217;re talking about all this, I was wondering if anyone is using EmigrantDirect?  They appear to provide similar services to what ING does but with better interest rates.  Anybody?</p>
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		<title>By: Odnal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Odnal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Historically, PayPal has been a pretty good deal.  Up through about September 2007, the interest rate was consistently above 5%.  Most of the 1.1% annual fees were waived with the actual fees being only 0.33%.  The prospectus lists the 2006 actual investment income at 4.81%.   I&#039;d suspect 2007 to end up around 4%.

The last 6 months though, the return has dropped considerably to mid 3%&#039;s, so I&#039;m considering moving to something like ING or eTrade instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Historically, PayPal has been a pretty good deal.  Up through about September 2007, the interest rate was consistently above 5%.  Most of the 1.1% annual fees were waived with the actual fees being only 0.33%.  The prospectus lists the 2006 actual investment income at 4.81%.   I&#8217;d suspect 2007 to end up around 4%.</p>
<p>The last 6 months though, the return has dropped considerably to mid 3%&#8217;s, so I&#8217;m considering moving to something like ING or eTrade instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron Moore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cameron Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim,
Your second comment does a good job of explaining why not to do your first suggestion.  Putting your EMERGENCY fund in laddered CDs is a bad idea, IMHO.  In that scenario you only have access to one rung of the ladder at a time without the bank charging you fees.

Jay &amp; Odnal,
Paypal doesn&#039;t seem like an overwhelmingly great deal to me.  You can get the exact same rate in an ING Electric Orange account that includes a debit card.  You could keep a small portion of your emergency fund there and keep most of it in an ING Orange savings account and get an extra 1% APY over the Electric Orange and PayPal rates.

PayPal: 3.35% - 1.1% = 2.25%
ING Electric: 2.25%
ING Savings: 3.40%</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim,<br />
Your second comment does a good job of explaining why not to do your first suggestion.  Putting your EMERGENCY fund in laddered CDs is a bad idea, IMHO.  In that scenario you only have access to one rung of the ladder at a time without the bank charging you fees.</p>
<p>Jay &amp; Odnal,<br />
Paypal doesn&#8217;t seem like an overwhelmingly great deal to me.  You can get the exact same rate in an ING Electric Orange account that includes a debit card.  You could keep a small portion of your emergency fund there and keep most of it in an ING Orange savings account and get an extra 1% APY over the Electric Orange and PayPal rates.</p>
<p>PayPal: 3.35% &#8211; 1.1% = 2.25%<br />
ING Electric: 2.25%<br />
ING Savings: 3.40%</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Barrow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Barrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 12:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too keep my emergency fund in a paypal account.  It gives me instant access via their debit card in case of a roadside emergency or one where I am away from home.  

It also is invested in a money market, which, as mentioned earlier has declined in interest rates.  Today my account shows 3.35%, and paypal charges a 1.1% annual fee much like a mutual fund would, so the adjusted rate after the fees are somewhere just barely past inflation.  

This is fine by me as I am more concerned with being able to get to the money quick as emergencies love to sneak up on us.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too keep my emergency fund in a paypal account.  It gives me instant access via their debit card in case of a roadside emergency or one where I am away from home.  </p>
<p>It also is invested in a money market, which, as mentioned earlier has declined in interest rates.  Today my account shows 3.35%, and paypal charges a 1.1% annual fee much like a mutual fund would, so the adjusted rate after the fees are somewhere just barely past inflation.  </p>
<p>This is fine by me as I am more concerned with being able to get to the money quick as emergencies love to sneak up on us.  <img src='http://www.ncnblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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