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		<description>[...] No Credit Needed » Blog Archive » How I Plan To Help My Children &#8230; &#8230; expect that my children will attend college (or some type of trade &#8230; I have created a “system” for teaching my kids how to handle &#8230; I take my kids to church and I teach them to give. We give to our &#8230; http://www.ncnblog.com/2007/05/08/how-i-plan-to-help-my-children-avoid-the-credit-trap-part-2/ [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Moneymonk</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 16:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say you are helping your kids too much as msmommoney said

Give them space to make some mistakes so they can learn from it. I know you want to protect them, but you are making their world to perfect</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say you are helping your kids too much as msmommoney said</p>
<p>Give them space to make some mistakes so they can learn from it. I know you want to protect them, but you are making their world to perfect</p>
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		<description>[...] Day Edition was at Ask Mr Credit Card. Thanks for celebrating a belated Mother&#8217;s Day, Mr CC. How I Plan To Help My Children Avoid The Credit Trap (Part 2) by No Credit Needed Confessions of a Compulsive Shopper by Debt Free Wannabe Book Review: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Livingalmostlarge</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2007 05:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You need to teach children about CC.  Not teaching them is like not teaching them about safe sex, sure you don&#039;t want them to have premarital sex but do you really believe your 30 year old unmarried daughter or son isn&#039;t going to be having sex?  Um, no.  So will you teach them about CC and sex and being responsible or let other kids teach them? 

CC are not evil, nor are CC companies.  What happens is irresponsible people use CC.  I left home at 16 and my mom certainly didn&#039;t want me out in the world without a CC.  She also taught me how it worked, explained in depth.  Same with sex.  

Just cause you don&#039;t like something, doesn&#039;t mean your kids won&#039;t. And worse just because you don&#039;t believe in it doesn&#039;t mean your kids will as well.  Life comes back to bite you in the behind.  I think you might as well give your kids every tool out there and educating them as throughly as possible.

And NCN you rock if you buy your kids a car.  So no car loan?  This I might disagree with, I&#039;m thinking that maybe my kids might have to have a car loan so they never get one again after that first loan.  I learned a lot by having my first and only car loan.  Not for a lot but for some.  And yes I could have gotten a used car for $5k and paid cash, but I didn&#039;t.  But I also was 20 and lived 3k miles away from any family.  So I didn&#039;t have a car to go car shopping, I had to depend on friends. I didn&#039;t have an adult to help me car shop and the dealers were awful. Not knowing anyone, nor any mechanics since I had no car, I didn&#039;t exactly have stellar reccomendations for how to buy a used car.  When I have kids I will hope to be near enough to help them buy a car.  And not throw them to the sharks, which my parents didn&#039;t want to but it couldn&#039;t be helped, unless they flew all that way to help me, buy a car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You need to teach children about CC.  Not teaching them is like not teaching them about safe sex, sure you don&#8217;t want them to have premarital sex but do you really believe your 30 year old unmarried daughter or son isn&#8217;t going to be having sex?  Um, no.  So will you teach them about CC and sex and being responsible or let other kids teach them? </p>
<p>CC are not evil, nor are CC companies.  What happens is irresponsible people use CC.  I left home at 16 and my mom certainly didn&#8217;t want me out in the world without a CC.  She also taught me how it worked, explained in depth.  Same with sex.  </p>
<p>Just cause you don&#8217;t like something, doesn&#8217;t mean your kids won&#8217;t. And worse just because you don&#8217;t believe in it doesn&#8217;t mean your kids will as well.  Life comes back to bite you in the behind.  I think you might as well give your kids every tool out there and educating them as throughly as possible.</p>
<p>And NCN you rock if you buy your kids a car.  So no car loan?  This I might disagree with, I&#8217;m thinking that maybe my kids might have to have a car loan so they never get one again after that first loan.  I learned a lot by having my first and only car loan.  Not for a lot but for some.  And yes I could have gotten a used car for $5k and paid cash, but I didn&#8217;t.  But I also was 20 and lived 3k miles away from any family.  So I didn&#8217;t have a car to go car shopping, I had to depend on friends. I didn&#8217;t have an adult to help me car shop and the dealers were awful. Not knowing anyone, nor any mechanics since I had no car, I didn&#8217;t exactly have stellar reccomendations for how to buy a used car.  When I have kids I will hope to be near enough to help them buy a car.  And not throw them to the sharks, which my parents didn&#8217;t want to but it couldn&#8217;t be helped, unless they flew all that way to help me, buy a car.</p>
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		<title>By: invest4life</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 00:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really like everything you have to say here and I think you are doing your kids a huge favor by educating them about finance and staying involved with them.  The one thing I might disagree with is the car issue.  While buying your children a car is helping them financially so they don&#039;t have to spend their own money, you aren&#039;t teaching them anything of value here.  My parents forced each of their 4 kids to purchase their own cars at the age of 16 or whenever they could afford it.  As furious as we might have been because we had to buy our own, looking back on it we each agreed it was a worthwhile arrangement.  While I only had enough money at the time to get a $2,100 clunker, it taught me the values of managing my money, taking care of my property, and taking pride in what I owned.  I think you will find your children clean, check the oil, fix dings/scratches, and overall just take better care of something when the buy it for themselves.  Not to mention the pride factor for a teenager to own such a significant item.  I understand your logic about helping them financially, but with all the other steps your taking, it might be worth the valuable lessons to let them buy their own car (with help/advice from the parents on car searches for safety reasons and ensuring they don&#039;t get ripped off).  Just a thought...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like everything you have to say here and I think you are doing your kids a huge favor by educating them about finance and staying involved with them.  The one thing I might disagree with is the car issue.  While buying your children a car is helping them financially so they don&#8217;t have to spend their own money, you aren&#8217;t teaching them anything of value here.  My parents forced each of their 4 kids to purchase their own cars at the age of 16 or whenever they could afford it.  As furious as we might have been because we had to buy our own, looking back on it we each agreed it was a worthwhile arrangement.  While I only had enough money at the time to get a $2,100 clunker, it taught me the values of managing my money, taking care of my property, and taking pride in what I owned.  I think you will find your children clean, check the oil, fix dings/scratches, and overall just take better care of something when the buy it for themselves.  Not to mention the pride factor for a teenager to own such a significant item.  I understand your logic about helping them financially, but with all the other steps your taking, it might be worth the valuable lessons to let them buy their own car (with help/advice from the parents on car searches for safety reasons and ensuring they don&#8217;t get ripped off).  Just a thought&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 15:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I admire your quest to inform your children about how to handle their finances, I have to disagree with you and some commentors regarding your views on credit cards.

Many people have fallen vicitim to the &quot;credit trap,&quot; but debt, in some ways, is just like anything else- if you know how to use it properly, it can be a wonderful thing. If someone doesn&#039;t carry a balance on a credit card, doesn&#039;t pay an annual fee, and always pays off the outstanding balance on time, then they basically get a 30-day interest free loan from the credit card company and possibly some cash/bonus points if they have a rewards card of some sort. I don&#039;t have kids yet, but I fully intend on getting credit cards for them when they are financially ready and mature enough so that they can learn how to properly use credit cards as well as establish a credit history at a young age instead of being sheltered from the dangers of unwise credit card usage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I admire your quest to inform your children about how to handle their finances, I have to disagree with you and some commentors regarding your views on credit cards.</p>
<p>Many people have fallen vicitim to the &#8220;credit trap,&#8221; but debt, in some ways, is just like anything else- if you know how to use it properly, it can be a wonderful thing. If someone doesn&#8217;t carry a balance on a credit card, doesn&#8217;t pay an annual fee, and always pays off the outstanding balance on time, then they basically get a 30-day interest free loan from the credit card company and possibly some cash/bonus points if they have a rewards card of some sort. I don&#8217;t have kids yet, but I fully intend on getting credit cards for them when they are financially ready and mature enough so that they can learn how to properly use credit cards as well as establish a credit history at a young age instead of being sheltered from the dangers of unwise credit card usage.</p>
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		<title>By: MSMomsmoney</title>
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		<dc:creator>MSMomsmoney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 06:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NCN,

I didn&#039;t mean to offend you.

One of my daughters is 16 years old.  She is an honors student.  Her GPA is 3.7.  She takes Japanese, Trig, Honors English, and will be doing running start next year--FREE college!  She also is Captain of her color guard,works a part time job, and in her &quot;spare&quot; time she volunteers for the National MS Society and the ADA.  All around great responsible kid (yes she is a kid to me).

I STILL will not help her get a credit card when she turns 18. 

I will, and do explain to her how credit cards can really dig her deep into debt, about interest rates, how one slip can take years to re-coup from and my negative experience with them.  And how important it is to live within her means.

Agree with the poster that said, you can teach your kids about drugs with out giving them a joint, so you can teach your kids about credit without getting them a card.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NCN,</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t mean to offend you.</p>
<p>One of my daughters is 16 years old.  She is an honors student.  Her GPA is 3.7.  She takes Japanese, Trig, Honors English, and will be doing running start next year&#8211;FREE college!  She also is Captain of her color guard,works a part time job, and in her &#8220;spare&#8221; time she volunteers for the National MS Society and the ADA.  All around great responsible kid (yes she is a kid to me).</p>
<p>I STILL will not help her get a credit card when she turns 18. </p>
<p>I will, and do explain to her how credit cards can really dig her deep into debt, about interest rates, how one slip can take years to re-coup from and my negative experience with them.  And how important it is to live within her means.</p>
<p>Agree with the poster that said, you can teach your kids about drugs with out giving them a joint, so you can teach your kids about credit without getting them a card.</p>
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		<title>By: NCN</title>
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		<dc:creator>NCN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 19:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MSM...
I&#039;m not going to get my &quot;kids&quot; a credit card.  But, when my daughter turns 18 or 19, I&#039;ll help her get a credit card (unless, like me, she has decided to live &quot;no credit needed&quot;) so that she will not be &quot;alone&quot; in the process

As far as &quot;work&quot;.. my kids have chores, responsibilities, etc.  I&#039;ve been working since I was 14, so I know about work.  My kids&#039; jobs (before 18) will primarily be helping around the house and going to school!  My daughter is a competitive gymnast, and she goes to practice, 4 times a week, and has more dedication than most 20 year olds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MSM&#8230;<br />
I&#8217;m not going to get my &#8220;kids&#8221; a credit card.  But, when my daughter turns 18 or 19, I&#8217;ll help her get a credit card (unless, like me, she has decided to live &#8220;no credit needed&#8221;) so that she will not be &#8220;alone&#8221; in the process</p>
<p>As far as &#8220;work&#8221;.. my kids have chores, responsibilities, etc.  I&#8217;ve been working since I was 14, so I know about work.  My kids&#8217; jobs (before 18) will primarily be helping around the house and going to school!  My daughter is a competitive gymnast, and she goes to practice, 4 times a week, and has more dedication than most 20 year olds.</p>
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		<title>By: MSMomsmoney</title>
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		<dc:creator>MSMomsmoney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 17:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say I disagree with some of your well intentioned points.

I think there is such a think as helping a child too much.  I think you are looking at your dear, sweet children, and not realizing they will be teenagers.

I fully believe in my children having jobs and contributing to their college education and their getting their first car.  (and my kids are teens and two of them have jobs and ING accounts to save their money)

I think EARNING the money themselves gives them much more respect for the hard work involved in life.

I don&#039;t want my children to feel &quot;entitled&quot;.  Life just isn&#039;t handed to them.  

While I know you adore your children (I remember when my kids were little)..life isn&#039;t a world of people telling you how much they love and adore you and how special you are many times a day.  It&#039;s just not.  

I&#039;d never help my kids get a credit card.  No way no how.I think that&#039;s just asking for trouble.

Remember young adults brains are not fully developed, and their judgement can be lacking, and as teens, even late teens, can be heavily influenced by their peers.  Parents are just well, not all that important to them.

College I think a &quot;quality&quot; education is all relative.  I think paying for a private univeristy is incredibly expensive (try $40K for one year of college--in today&#039;s dollars) and I really do not think it is worth the $$ expended.  I think one can get a quality education at a public university, and be just as employable when they graduate.

Kids need their wings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say I disagree with some of your well intentioned points.</p>
<p>I think there is such a think as helping a child too much.  I think you are looking at your dear, sweet children, and not realizing they will be teenagers.</p>
<p>I fully believe in my children having jobs and contributing to their college education and their getting their first car.  (and my kids are teens and two of them have jobs and ING accounts to save their money)</p>
<p>I think EARNING the money themselves gives them much more respect for the hard work involved in life.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want my children to feel &#8220;entitled&#8221;.  Life just isn&#8217;t handed to them.  </p>
<p>While I know you adore your children (I remember when my kids were little)..life isn&#8217;t a world of people telling you how much they love and adore you and how special you are many times a day.  It&#8217;s just not.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d never help my kids get a credit card.  No way no how.I think that&#8217;s just asking for trouble.</p>
<p>Remember young adults brains are not fully developed, and their judgement can be lacking, and as teens, even late teens, can be heavily influenced by their peers.  Parents are just well, not all that important to them.</p>
<p>College I think a &#8220;quality&#8221; education is all relative.  I think paying for a private univeristy is incredibly expensive (try $40K for one year of college&#8211;in today&#8217;s dollars) and I really do not think it is worth the $$ expended.  I think one can get a quality education at a public university, and be just as employable when they graduate.</p>
<p>Kids need their wings.</p>
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		<title>By: NCN</title>
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		<dc:creator>NCN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 16:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay,
Busted!  I find myself in the strange position of sounding &quot;pro&quot; credit card.  Yikes?  Perhaps I will rethink this point... hmmm... thank goodness I have 10 years to worry about it!  :)  (GOOD TO HEAR that someone out there is as anti-credit card as I am!  Your rock!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay,<br />
Busted!  I find myself in the strange position of sounding &#8220;pro&#8221; credit card.  Yikes?  Perhaps I will rethink this point&#8230; hmmm&#8230; thank goodness I have 10 years to worry about it!  <img src='http://www.ncnblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   (GOOD TO HEAR that someone out there is as anti-credit card as I am!  Your rock!)</p>
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